LIONEL MESSI CAN ONLY DO WELL IN BARCELONA, NO WHERE ELSE - TRUE OR FALSE?
I'm a big fan of Messi, so I will try my best not to be baised with my facts. Although, no matter what I write, Ronaldo fans will always find a way to counter my points, but they still remain facts and I stand to be corrected. I guess you've known my answer to the title of this post. He will perform well anywhere and in any team.
Arguments, sentiments and supports we show in football are actually the things making us stay glued to the sport. It's very normal to love a player, stand behind him or his team in an argument. Your opponent will come at you with the same pace and it goes on and on till another person joins. It's fun! Most times, I love it when I talk football that way. Now, let's get to why you are here. You still believe Messi can only perform better in a Barcelona jersey?
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Let's trace back to where he made his name, the FIFA under 20 world cup in 2005. Heck, his glory days began in an Argentine jersey. He won the best player of the competition and the golden boot that year. This whole hullabaloo about him not performing well for his country and being a bad leader all started when Portugal won the UEFA Euro 2016 hosted in France. It was Ronaldo's first trophy for his country and some fans believed he had an edge over the Argentine. Anyway, I'd do the same in their shoes (consider it as an edge), but using it to buttress a point of Messi not doing well for Argentina?
The term "performing well" is subjective. If our definition of Messi not performing well for his country means not winning a trophy, then we can as well say, Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Delima Ronaldo didn't perform well for their clubs in the UEFA champions league. Yes, they were totally poor in the competition. In fact, I can bodly say Luiz Suarez is a better player than them, right? He has an edge over them, and it should be used when comparing him with them.
Messi has played/is playing for only Barcelona and Argentina. He has achieved a lot with one and hasn't won a trophy for the senior team (as they put it) in Argentina; that was what birthed this idea about him being good in only the Barcelona jersey. Well, I'm not just here to prove he can do well in any jersey, I'm letting you know he is equally good and has done well for his national team. No?
There's a question I ask people that have that idea in mind. Who do you consider Argentina's best player of all time? Yes, I know their answers is always Maradona. Maradona was a legend and because he won the world cup with Argentina, then he should be their greatest of all time. But what happened to statistics? Top scorer, assists, playmaking and other vital thing done in the team, Messi is leading all. In fact, Messi has scored times two of what Maradona scored for them. The funny thing about this theory is that, they will rate Okocha and Kanu over Mikel Obi when considering the greatest of all time for the Nigeria national team. News flash: Mikel won what they couldn't win, the Africa Cup of Nations.
Is Messi performing well for Argentina? I'll say yes. Argentina has played in five finals with Messi in the team. This team didn't just magically appear in the final stage, they played well and defeated a lot of teams to get there. If losing the only match that could make them winners is the basis of concluding he has been poor for his national team, then I'm lost on how you made your conclusion.
This same guy has won a lot of individual awards with his country. Aside what he won for the under twenties, he was the best young player in Copa America, 2007. He won the best player in FIFA world cup 2016, the golden boot in Copa America 2015 and was always their best player of the year.
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Again, I've listened to people question his leadership and relate it to why Argentina hasn't won a trophy. These set of fans always say Ronaldo would have won a trophy if he was the captain of Argentina. Pathetic! How did Argentina lost all three finals he captained? That's a question you should answer. Is it the dial minute goal Germany scored in the 2016 world cup? The two penalty shootouts Chile won? What should he (Messi) have done? Shout his lungs out for them to win a penalty shootout or stop Gotze from scoring after their striker lost a couple of chances?
A final match is mostly about luck. It's about who did it right, who took their chances and who had the safest tactics. France was the better team when they played Portugal in 2016 but still lost to them. Their loss wasn't as a result of bad leadership or good leadership from the opponent. They just couldn't convert their nemerous chances into a goal. Juventus has played more than four champions league finals since 1996 and hasn't won one. Bad leadership wasn't the problem, is it? Manchester United lost twice to Barcelona in the champions league final; Atletico Madrid also lost twice to Real Madrid. These things happens in football, so the fact that Argentina lost twice to Chile shouldn't be attributed to their poor leadership skills.
He was their captain when they got to these finals. Give him a break. Don't bring hell to him for losing the final match. Messi did well in Barcelona and also in Argentina. He has scored against all the great teams he faced. He controls the game anywhere he finds himself and would do the same in any team with any coach. Messi can only do better in Barcelona is just a baised statement.
Till we meet again. I still remain, @afolwalex.
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Messi is just a typical Barcelona Legend and nothing more. This is the reason why Argentine great Maradonna claimed he's only used to one pattern football, which is the Barcelona kind of football. Source
For me I would say CR7 is the greatest player ever, and this is simply because he has proven his worth playing in different terrains, to which he had energetically scoured with his impressive performance over the years. Even some of the greatest player that has ever graced the field of play as at a point proved themselves on not being a one club wonder by trying their luck on different atmosphere, with Ronaldinho, Zinedine Zidane, Paolo Nedved, Kaka, and the likes..
Don't even try and cheap in on why the great Brazilian maestro, Pele has only played for Santos in his entire career because football fans considered Diego Maradona to be a better and great player than Pele due to the latter's involvement in a series of cup wins with different clubs.
So, I think Messi needs a new challenge if at all he wants to cement a place for himself in the all time great status list. He has created for himself a "comfort" zone at barca and that i feel is his Achilles heels. Proving himself in another league with different approach to the game will further cement his claim as one of the GOATS.
Messi is a fantastic player no doubt, but football is a team sport and no matter how many assists and goals or an individual accolades you have without any trophies to back it up, then you are just an average player. Maradonna has done almost everything for his country, that's why he was regarded the greatest Argentine player ever. You can only compare Messi with Alberto Ohaco who has also won diffrent tittles for the same club Racing Club de Avellanesa back in his days.
In fact, Ohaco career stats his similar to that of Lionel Messi.
Alberto Ohaco was an Argentine footballer who played for Racing Club de Avellaneda. He won seven league titles and his considered also to have been one of the greatest Argentine footballers of all time.
He is still the most winning player in Racing Club' history having won a total of 20 titles with the club, including seven Primera División consecutive championships between 1913 and 1919, just like how Messi is doing with Barcelona.
Everything you wrote here is very wrong and every bit of it is written because you love Ronaldo and hate Messi. No facts, just sentiments.
Ronaldo is considered as one of the greatest because of what he has done not because of where he did it. He has won many individual awards and has been consistent for more than a decade and still is. No player has ever been that consistent, except Messi. Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Samuel Eto'o has played in different leagues and they both created records there. They would be considered GOATs if your reason is considered, but sadly, it isn't. A football fan should know travelling around the world to show how good you are is a baised fact.
Scholes is considered a greater player than Seedorf. I don't need to remind you that one of them played in only one team.
This is very funny. A large percentage of football fans considers him the greatest. Ronaldo fans spend quality time trying to prove it's not true. Messi is always compared with the likes of Pele, Maradona and co and has always been considered the greatest when compared. Ronaldo is only compared with him alone. You know how it works; you do the comparison, we don't.
Last time I checked, Messi has won a lot of trophies. I guess only Daniel Alvez has won more than him. And, you are wrong about the goals and assists. Any player can win trophies, it's not everyone that can score a lot of goals and give a lot of assists.
I don't even know who this is. Messi is the best player Argentina ever produced. The records are there for all to see. Comparing Messi with him is hilarious. 😂 You should start with Dybala first.
Of course I prefer Ronaldo to Messi anytime! But that doesn't change the fact of how I rate both players performances in the last few years for both their respective club(s) and Country. What I'm saying in short, is that Cristiano Ronaldo will surely achieve greater heights in any club he'd plugged into, be it at any European Club level or an Elite Asian division😀, and the reason is that he had learnt different patterns from different leagues and that's why he can adjust in any team unlike Messi who has been with Barcelona since the beginning of his professional career, if I'm not wrong though.
Oops! Okay then, What has he done to have being regarded as the Goat?
Simple! He has achieved what Messi haven't done with his country, which is a Major International Trophy, and not some under 20s tournament cup. Although, Messi could have easily won the Copa America for his country back in 2016, had he not missed the decisive penalty. Unfortunately he let his country down again.
And you shot yourself!! The players you'd mention above haven't been on a consistent level of which Cr7 and Messi have attained over the past decades. So even if they won lot of trophies in different leagues, that won't/can't cement them the GOAT status.
😀Common!! Of all the M's, you had to compare Scholes with Seedorf. Why not give the due stats and comparison with the elegant man himself Andrei Pirlo. - I don't need to remind you that one of them played in only one team.(your words). Pirlo has even won quite a lot with an International trophy to show for it, while Scholes unfortunately didn't managed to make enough of an impact with England to get them anywhere.
So, this eventually rolled back to the Cristiano and Messi Goat debate.
Well..Google is your friend😀 a one time search about him would probably show you what it is your wanna know about one of the Pioneer of Argentine football.
*''Messi is the best player Argentina ever produced'' - 😀😀Even the Argentine fans never dare rate him above the great ''Chain Smoker'' Diego Amando Maradonna.
Messi's performance has been superb for Argentina. No player in Argentina history has his record for his national team. I've said it countless times, not winning trophies doesn't mean you are not performing well. Why do they play third place if it isn't an achievement? You get a bronze medal and it's always in record. You are a Juventus fan and you haven't watched your team lift a champions league trophy. Can I say your performance in the tournament has been poor? Messi has many individual records he got from Argentina. Last time I checked, Ronaldo has none from Portugal except being the best Portuguese player of the year.
It's funny you don't know why he is regarded as one of the greatest player. It's simple! He won five Balon D'or. Messi got the title a long time ago. Ronaldo fans are trying to rate him ahead of Messi because of this baseless international trophy fact. Heck, he hasn't even won the biggest trophy in the world or gotten close to it.
Scholes is one of the greatest midfielder in history. He is way better than Pirlo. Take the argument anywhere, you will get the same response.
Yes! It has been on numerous occasions, which arguably has cost us so much against a top notch teams in the tournament. We let our guards down whenever we reach the upper stage of the competition. So that should be considered a below per performance from a team who had won the Italian league consecutively.
Lol! Paradox of profits, without trophies.
Bud! If a player performed well without any trophies in his profile, he would surely be forced to make a move to a more suitable team where he can at least get a chance to lift one. I'm sure, you won't dare rate Kane above Karim Benzema. The last I checked, the English man has had a better high converting chances at a high rate and performance than Benzema, but that doesn't change the fact that Benzema is more of top notch striker than Kane.
No need of taking the argument anywhere! Would like you to Vibrate a few tokens you have.
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Kane is a better striker currently.
Oh! Sorry I missed this. When he missed that penalty, a Chilean player missed his, too and it was leveled back. You need to watch the match again.
Ronaldo missed his penalty when Manchester United and Chelsea played in the champions league final, yet United won. Messi scoring or not wasn't the reason for their loss. When he scored in 2015, they still didn't win.
Lol! That penalty though.😀
Did you perhaps watch the game at all. Messi literally dribbled the whole players in the pitch without nothing to show for it.
As a leader and a true captain, he should have converted that first penalty to boost the morale of the rest of the takers! But instead since his so called fans claimed his not from this planet, he justified it by blasting the spot kick to the Moon😀😀
🙄🙄At least, he scored the only goal in that game for Utd, and he won the UCL. He was even the fans man of the match, and also the competition top scorer in that same year.
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He scored in 2015 didn't he? Was their moral boosted? No! He missed in 2016 and they still got the same result. I just gave you a scenario where Ronaldo missed and still, his team won.
Wow! Tell me something I don't know. Messi won this same individual honors for Argentina. Tell me something I don't know. Like Ronaldo winning this same individual honors in a Portuguese Jersey.
And yet he underperformed in that game as well. Its a huge 4-1 penalty loss bud!
Messi has never won a major international trophy for Argentina😀😀😀😁😁😁
The game ended 0-0 and Messi was the best player in the competition. He is bagging individual honors and that is what separate him from others making him the greatest of all times.
Lies! Messi was never the MVP of that years competition! No award was given to any player in that category.
He scored only 1 goal in the competition, and that was even a penalty against Paraguay.
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Lol! This is what happens when you use Wikipedia as a source of information. 😀 Make research on "Copa America Golden ball award". It's given to the best player in Copa America. Sanchez won the one of 2016. Messi was declared the winner of 2015 which he refused to accept. The news was everywhere then na. Well, let me refer you to the same Wikipedia. Go to Lionel Messi's Wiki profile and click on his honors.
He refused! So indirectly he didn't win it then😁😁
Since, you said I shouldn't rely on Wiki, then I don't need to bother myself on checking his profile.
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Now you know he was the best player in the competition and it was recorded in his honors. Whether he accepted it or not, the title was his. 😂😂
So would you consider Professor Peter Higgs a Knighthood since he turned down the tittle.😁😁😁😀😀
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Hi. I will start by saying that Messi is an extraordinary player. Not because I say so but because it is. Now, football is a team game and the player must work with the team, must be part of the team's dynamic and conceptual. Lionel Messi works with Barcelona but not with Argentina. There is something between Messi and Argentina that does not engage. I don't think Messi could play with a different shirt than Barcelona either. He is very accustomed to the total football of Barcelona. But nobody can deny that Messi has been a great football player during the two decades of this century. Regards @afolwalex
Lionel Messi works with Argentina, too. People like to think he doesn't because he hasn't won a trophy with them. He is the top scorer and assist provider in Barcelona and also for Argentina. What more should he had done?
The Argentine players depends so much on him and none of them stands out when they are needed the most. Ronaldo wasn't even in the Euro final Portugal played, yet they won. The same can't be said for Argentina. Messi has been superb with them. He led them to three finals and they all lost all!
Depend on who!! The Midget
Bud! Did you watch their last game against Mexico at all...
Lorenzo Martinez💥💥💥💥💥 They don't miss the midget at all.
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You mean that friendly match? Yes, I didn't bother to watch it.
Oops! You should have seen how Argentina bossed the whole game from start to finish, without the so called Barcelona Goat😁😁
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Imagine him at Man City. Jesus Christ. Totally false
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