Missing The Point Of Spammy Dlike
Today I thought I must air some views and trends that need to be addressed on Sportstalk. It is not just Sportstalk though as it must be effecting loads of other tribes as these users tag everything under the sun. I would like to see @dlike take control and and control what is being posted. I for one am sick and tired of seeing shit post after shit post come through the feed.Why aren't there controls at least controlling the content and if one Dlike story on that article has been posted then it gets rejected like @steemhunt does. I can see the same photograph and the same story 5 or 10 times in one evening of going through the new posts which is seriously not right and Dlike need to do something to stop this.
Here are two identical posts from this morning as a perfect example.How much effort went into this? This is no different to spam and are perfect for downvotes.
https://www.sportstalksocial.com/dlike/@sollot/jim-irsay-turned-down-record-32-billion-offer-for-colts-yardbarker
https://www.sportstalksocial.com/dlike/@balboun/jim-irsay-turned-down-record-32-billion-offer-for-colts-yardbarker
I have been on sports for around 2 months now and have been working hard trying to mix and vary my posts so they cover all sorts of sports and you aren't a one trick pony. Most sports lovers love all types of sports and will read anything as we just find it interesting.
Everything except a Dlike post that is. I read sports articles at sites like Skysports and read what is interesting. I don't read copied and pasted articles on Sportstalk as no thought or effort has gone into that post. How bad must someone be if that is all they have to offer? I ignore the Dlike posts like the plague and I know most other users do as well. I regard them as spam posts and don't see the point of them at all. Personally I would rather not post than use Dlike.
If you use another language besides English then write an article in your own words. If some effort is shown you will receive more upvotes and support from the community. The tribe is crying out for people to write their own things and yet people bitch about trending.
I agree I would love to see other names trending and not the same bunch,but it is impossible if 99 percent are doing Dlike as that would be just totally wrong. I see these users as just milking the loopholes with little to no effort and quite honestly deserve diddly squat for their posts.
Actifit can be put in a similar bracket, but at least certain users are adding to it making it into a post. Look at @abh12345.sports and @erikahfit what they do as it is not just actifit, but there is substance and thought being added.
Before I joined Sportstalk I used to receive 30 -35 votes on average on a post and now I am averaging over 100 and there is no reason why others can't do the same. The reason I believe is that there is very little else to read on here regarding sports posts and that is the truth.
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lol, think i finally got rid of the last of the dlikes on my feed
I need to do the same as it is driving me nuts.
Hate them myself . If dlike was gone then it would make curating alot easier.
It makes it virtually impossible to curate on here.
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Hear hear!
Generally tosh. It would be a ten minute job to add own thought and opinions to the article yet most cannot be arsed.
Just an excuse to post and self-vote and I might have to start downvoting duplicate shared news articles - then posters may at least check first (or not).
I use Dlike occasionally and have spent the tokens to be a pro member. I struggled with the concept a lot at first. I now understand that is just the model they have built. I always add a paragraph or two of my own comments to the articles I share.
That's exactly the point, 10 mins to write some context, opinion, personal thoughts and no one does. It might help if @dlike stopped handing out free votes and manually curated but without their help its a total en passe.
Problem with dlike is zero moderation . There are guidelines which aren't ever adhered to and loads of account farms that never get blocked from @dlike or @sportstalk . I have dropped hundreds if not thousands of downvotes in the last few months.
Dlike , like Actifit can be used well and be great tools but it's too easy and just click share and go.
If there is no moderation the spammers and scammers come out to play.
Human nature and lack of community issue as opposed to the platforms themselves.
@actifit does actually respond and deal with abusers. I would suggest now 80% of @dlike posts are farm accounts , perhaps @tosyne2much might like to tell us more ?
@dlike should be about sharing, writing about and creating discussion but the lack of engagement on Steemit in general is getting worse by the day unless you count people working out the best way to use their autovoters.
My @dlike competition proves a point, no one wants to put any effort into being rewarded! 1000s of @dlike posts and no one wants to take part !
The original guidelines for @dlike post is that each post must have a min 50 word article attached and they can post just once a day ..oh, and it must not be something posted already or the user would be blacklisted without warning. It never happened and what you see today is the result .
I give thousands of tokens away each day and no one wants to join in! I leave comments and downvotes on the spammers, no response and @dlike just keep pulling on their curation rewards......
What's to be done mate ? Three of you write proper stuff there, 99% of the rest is utter crap.
PS My cynical self says that both yours and my increase in upvotes are more to do curation rewards than readers and engagement!
I didn't know the guidelines which now really helps me as the only way to stop it is to take away the rewards by down voting. Shouldn't be too hard.
I am absolutely up for a flagging sesh to try and slow them down along with a comment as to why. It doesnt take much voting power as many don't get too many tokens but a word of warning, there are some accounts in a circle jerk with an awful lot of staked power behind them but in my experience, they don't retaliate.
In my experience, the single users generally apologise and reign it in. Let's see by going for it :-)
Count me in for a session.
Thank you for highlighting this and we are looking into voting circles as well.
Lucky me, I don't have dlike on my feed but I see a bunch of posts while curating sportstalk. I agree with you, no effort at all and I don't upvote copy paste. I work hard to do my posts, I don't see why others can't do the same.
It's an absolute stain on the platform!
I couldn't agree more and adds absolutely no value.
It takes so little effort that I wouldn't be surprised if people had hundreds of spam accounts same just spammed all day long
That is exactly what we are finding right now and are tackling it head on.
Yeah, I was targetting Steemhunt posts but will turn my eye to dlike. There are just so many!!!
I think you can relax as it is in hand right now and most are being taken care of. The big abusers are in for a hell of a shock. Some are down to zero and will be by Sunday.
I only use Dlike if I add some commentary to the story myself. I think Dlike has a place, they just need to work out some of the issues. Pintrest has proven that the model I think they are trying to achieve works.
Like I said, they just need to work out the bugs. If they ultimately choose to turn a blind eye, then that is another story.
Spammers are always going to find a way to spam, no matter the platform. It shouldn't reflect on those of us that are using the platform legitimately.
Absolutely right mate, which I refuse to damn @dlike outright but something does need to be done
I have written several posts in the past about my love hate relationship with Dlike. I had a really hard time with it at first, then I saw some of the big names that were supporting it and I decided to give it another look. Once I realized (what I think) their intended model is, it made more sense to me. Unfortunately, communication has been great from them, but feedback not so great. If their goals is to kind of be like Pintrest then it makes sense, if that isn't really their goal then I honestly have no clue what is going on. I asked a while ago if Dlike posts could just register as comments and only show in your feed if you check a box (similar to what musing.io implemented), and they said they were working on it. I think that would help clean up some of the spam. They really need to implement and enforce a whitelist, that has made a huge difference for some of the major platforms out there (Steemhunt, etc.).
Yep the idea of dlike is good, just like pinterest but the difference here is that you can earn money with it and earning money with content of another person is always well you could say a bit shady xD
In many cases it is unfortunately not only spam but also plagiarism. If I were the owner of a tribe I would remove dlike from the reward pool because it does more harm than good. And it's possible to remove apps from the reward pool. It is maybe a bit hard but atm it just hurts my eyes to see all these shit getting posted with the sportstalk tag
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I am not arguing, but a quick Google search shows that there are influencers on Pintrest so there is money to be earned there at the expense of others. I'm not saying it is right (which is why you seldom see me doing dlike posts). There are sometimes articles that I feel are worth sharing with others though and Dlike makes it easy to do that vs. dealing with markdown and formatting and all of that in Steemit or some other interface. Besides the blatant spammers, I don't feel average users should have to justify using it (or be looked down on because they do). I do think that Dlike needs to finally step up and state what their intended use case is and how they are going to deal with abusers.
The problem is, these abusers that they are giving them upvotes are earning @dlike curation rewards so perhaps the issue is not so clear cut and there isn't too much motivation to cull spam there.
I also suspect that there is an element of collaboration...lets say, turning a blind eye between @dlike and some of the account farms. @dlike seem to refuse point blank to sort it out.
I have seen some serious discussions in discord with @steemcleaners getting seriously pissed with @dlike but they don't budge nor do they offer much encouragement for users to change.
I do notice however that users on Sportstalk are changing tack and posting their shares and copied text directly using the Sportstalk tag and not through @dlike . A trawl and flag session this evening didn't show all than many @dlike posts but the ones there were almost all crap.
I agree with you. There has been quite a bit of indifference on the part of Dlike and that continues to be one of my biggest concerns about them. I delegated to them for quite some time and I have a bit of tokens staked with them. I'd like to see them get it sorted out rather than just get the boot, for my own investments sake.
Of course, there are influencers on Pinterest, but they don't earn their money by reposting pins but are paid directly by the companies to show their products.
Here ppl can earn money by posting youtube videos made by other ppl (which is obviously a copyright infringement)
Dlike's like copying reports and selling them as a book right now. It's kind of weird and wrong to earn money based on the ideas of others if you didn't ask them for permission.
But the whole copyrights stuff is a bit weird when a posting get's burned into the blockchain forever. I think that will be a big problem for Steem if more and more ppl start using it. But that's another story xD
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I do use Dlike and am mindful of the fact that I should add a commentary of my own whenever I post.
If someone has shared an article about 10 hours earlier, I wouldn't know that it has been shared earlier because Dlike's homepage currently doesn't display posts that are more than 10 hours old. Dlike also hasn't got a feature that rejects an URL that has already been posted earlier. This aspect of Dlike bugs me a lot whenever I post as I am never 100% sure whether my post has already been shared before.
Currently posts that are shared about 10 hours or earlier disappear from the Dlike homepage. The hours are likely to get shorter if Dlike gets popular.
I did make several suggestions to Dlike team on their discord channel. They responded immediately and to their credit I must say that all my suggestions were already work-in-progress and some of them have already been deployed since. The website feature that rejects URLs which have already been posted earlier wasn't one of them. Hopefully they pick that up.
I do believe, like @bozz, that Dlike has a place in the steem ecosystem and having witnessed their proactiveness I think these issues will be resolved sooner or later.
I get your point. But when I used it, like @bozz, I add my own thoughts about the article. Of course it's not fun when the same article is posted several times. And of course, when someone just plain right dumps an article, with no added opinion or whatsoever, then is just sad. But don't put all these articles in one corner.
I agree that dLike needs to do something, but to this point, you can just post whatever the guy before you posted, and that is indeed wrong and creates spam.
You are using it correctly. The majority of users aren't and see it as a way of doing very little for in some cases a decent reward. I cane across loads tonight earning 12000-15 000 sportstalk tokens per dlike post for no effort.
You flagged a handful of my posts without a prior warning, not even a hint to why you are downvoting me. How do I know what I did in other to take corrections.
You know exactly what you did wrong as your latest post is fine. You have used your own words and haven't just copied and pasted. Why would you expect a warning if you have been abusing the site? You are not being singled out as there are a whole host of users that will still be losing a majority of their post rewards. There a re a large group of us who are pissed off with the abusers and have just had enough and have decide to fix this place.I am glad to see you have changed what you were doing just in time. You have been on Steem for nearly two years so you know exactly what you were doing was wrong. Dlike has a minimum of 50 of your own words added in the post and one post per 24 hours. You were adding none of your own words and were doing more than one per day. I saw the referee account flagged you so I don't know what that means for you going forward on here now. From my understanding if 3 or more referees flag you then you have one warning left, but I could be wrong.
Sportstalk need to get rid of dlike and also actifit because it just harms the tribe and it's simply not possible to downvote each of these shit posts. A tribe can remove an whole app from the reward pool and I think it would be the best if they would block dlike and actifit. Maybe some of the actifit posts are not shit posts but 95% of them are shit because they are just posting it for the rewards and not for ppl to read it... And they are already getting these actifit tokens for it.
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I think Dlike needs to go as it is not controlled by Dlike and it has become a shit post and a joke. I think all the tribes should get together and ban it if they don't sort it out as it is not good for Steem in general.
Actifit is sports related so I think that is fine and some at least put some effort in to what they are posting and maintain standards.
Actifit has it's own token and most posts are not really interesting. If you look at the new section in sports you have to scroll for a long time until you will find an actifit post that is not just crap to earn tokens. They don't offer sport related information they are a diary for the own actifity. I don't think that needs to get sports tokens because they are earning actifit tokens already.
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I haven't really taken my time to monitor Dlike posts
From my little observations, Actfit posts are the problem we have here.. They do not only litter the whole place but also make it difficult to even read good articles
Sure! They surely have a place here but the rate at which these posts are spamming the whole place is going out of hand
Glad this post about #dlike and #actifit.
Too many nonsense posts and you can see the issue.
Let us keep #sportstalk clean together
I'm new enough around here, but I feel your pain already. Maybe something can be done with the down vote option if nothing else.
That will happen for sure. The only way to clean this place up.
Dang, I use both of those apps, I ain't got the time or the skills to be a real blogger!
The difference is you don't abuse the system posting every 2 hours and using accounts to farm it.
We acknowledge, there are definitely issues that need to be solved as these are just early days and things take time to become perfect.
For duplication issue, we have already worked on this as in DLIKE 3.0 this issue will be solved.
We always welcome suggestions from community to improve things but it does not feel good to mark any project spammy.
I hear you guy loud and clear but your users are abusing the app and it is coming across as spam. That is the honest truth and we are all sick and tired of it now and will take action against any dlike abuse on our tribe. It is out of hand and what I find appalling is you guys are upvoting these posts as well condoning the spam even more. This shouldn't be left up to the rest of the community to police for you as you created this problem.
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