The Current @sportsvoter is Giving us Negative ROI. Please Re-Configure!

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I love the mechanism of burning Sports in exchange of Steemit upvotes of the Sportstalksocial's @sportsvoter account. Basically, its an upvote bot that accepts Sports as payments (based on price in Steem-Enginethen burn those sports via @null account.


The Problem

Negative ROI / Not Profitable / Loss

Since HF21 started, it seemed like they didn't change their voting computation which I've been very vocal about it. I don't know if they changed it, but what's sure is that you will end up being at loss. @sportsvoter vote value isn't enough to the "actual value" of Sports you submit.

This is why I stopped using this service 'temporarily' because its not profitable at all and I recommend users who are currently using it to temporarily halt sending. I'll cite an example :


Let's take this post from @zainalbakri as an example :


Image courtesy of @zainalbakri's post (A screenshot of rewards)

The amount of Sports tokens sent to promote this post cost 3000 Sports, which in current value in Steem-Engine is 0.0004/Sports equals 1.2 Steem.

The post received an upvote worth of $0.24 from @sportsvoter account (3000 Sports used). Assuming current Steem price stays the same after the post gets its payout, this user receives :

50% Author rewards | 50% Curation rewards

Let's set aside SPS allocation of 10% as of this moment to simplify the computation.

Which means when the post gets its payout, the user will receive $0.12 worth of Steem which is technically :

0.12 / 0.161 = 0.745 Steem

That's a huge loss, you get 0.745 Steem out of the 1.2 Steem you used to promote your post which is why @sportsvoter is not profitable currently. As much as I love to use @sportsvoter to promote my post by just using my earned Sports tokens from my posts, I won't consider as of the moment because we're at lost if we use it.

Take note that I didn't sneaked SPS allocation (around 5% cut) just to simplify the computation.


Sportstalksocial, @patrickulrich, and @yabapmatt, I hope you'll be able to read this post and see what are your thoughts about this. Correct me if I'm wrong. If not, try to reconfigure the allocation of rewards. Please set a configuration that benefits the users (us) and you.

If you have any questions, comments, or suggestions feel free to drop a comment below. After all, I am addressing this post for the community to be aware and the management that runs @sportsvoter. We all just want things to be better.


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Perhaps if you see it as a way of giving back and in the long term creating the price of tokens to rise as we burn them off.
I see it as a long term thing rather than just an instant boost to reward.

I'm already giving my tokens to help Sports ecosystem but having negative ROI (big loss more than 30%) is something that you must reconsider.

I agree that @sportsvoter is the key to success for the entire platform and getting it right should be the top priority. It's all extremely complicated though with the price of Steem having an influence along with the price of Sports which takes major jumps.

I used it sending 500 Sports getting a 0.07$ upvote -> 0.035$ after 50% curation = ~0.21 STEEM = ~525 SPORTS. I'll try it again tomorrow making sure I get all the current prices right to see if the numbers actually add up.

Yeah, glad you made your calculation too. That supports my post above @costanza, I'm looking forward @patrickulrich will do something about this.

I found that this service is super important. If it will work, great for tribe and its economy. When non-profitable, it will make a huge problem.

This is really important honestly. It is very helpful to the sportstalk economy. That's why I am very vocal about this.

I burn a few thousand daily for the good of the platform. If its a negative roi so be it. They will fix soon enough . I like these sportstalk posts . Not enough of them . I was unaware of this . Thanks

I share the same sentiments. I've been an active user too, sending more than 10,000 Sports burned to promote my posts.

But if this is the case that we'll be at loss, its not attractive for me anymore. I already helped by burning sports, I don't wanna help more by having negative ROI.

If this is true then Patrick needs to fix this ASAP

I totally agree with you @tosyne2much.

Thanks for information.

I also agree with you, sports voter should improve.

Yes. They should step up the game for it to be used by many and burn sports tokens.

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The SPORTS team does not manage the voting bot for @sportsvoter. That is all handled by the @postpromoter team. They had released an update shortly before the Steem blockchain decided to take a nap for the weekend. You can review the update here:

https://steemit.com/bidbot/@aggroed/well-that-escalated-quickly-hf-21-22-and-bidbots