RE: Sports Talk Social: The Community's Future
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I think anything that is done needs to be done with the approval of the community. The handing over of keys is nothing to take lightly, so I wanted to make sure this was all above board. Like I said, I am heavily invested in this community even though I might not be active in the Discord. I want it to do well. I don't think a coup or even the impression of a coup is the way to do it though. Either way, whatever happens moving forward. I just wanted you to know that I am interesting in being part of the discussions.
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It's certainly above board in that I would be willing to make the transfer of the keys for all community accounts if the community voted a governance proposal that told me to do that. I just don't see the value in doing so. I feel like we've already dealt with key management in the last governance proposal and that we have more important things to focus on than playing hot potato with who's in charge. I'd rather keep things where no one is in charge and stakeholders can vote as needed.
If I were to transfer them over what I'd prefer to see is them moved to a witnesss based multisig system. Each witness would run a node with governance built into the code. The code should allow SPORTS stakeholders to vote for witnesses with onchain json. If witness consensus changes and a witness is un-elected and a new witness is elected then the node software should automatically create a multisig transaction changing the signers that the other witnesses would sign thus changing the keys to match the newly elected witnesses. If a witness didn't sign on so many consecutive blocks then they would automatically be pulled from consensus until they started signing blocks again.
I think that's the real place we'd need to go to but I don't have the development skills to create that. If we did have that built we could even build in all the functionality of the ARCHON system without relying on another tribe to manage it.
What's even more exciting is with a system for witnesses like that it could be expanded into other witness groups that say were elected to serve as Oracles for other kinds of voting systems. This could lead to someone creating SPORTS gaming systems based on decentralized elected oracle witnesses. We could have sports gaming where people put SPORTS into an account controlled by a multisig of oracle witnesses and as they sign oracle information they pay out to anyone participating.
The problem isn't ideas, it's finding people who can implement ideas into executable code.
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I think they are working on that behind the scenes as far as the Hive side of things. From what I have heard anyway. I know that Hive Engine and Splinterlands already have their own nodes, but with some of the stuff DLUX (I think) is doing, it could be any community running their own nodes and having governance that way. I get there is a lot of background stuff that needs to happen to get us there. As you said, I think right now we have some other more pressing issues to deal with. At the very least I am glad people are finally starting to care a little more.
Yeah I'm interested in what's being built on the DLUX layer. I could see us making the move over at some point when you compare the feature roadmaps of Hive Engine / DLUX. Maybe I'm out of the HE dev loop but I haven't heard anything in the pipes for solutions like that on this side.
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Taskmaster has touched in some of it a couple of times. I think they are working from a couple of different angles between a couple of different teams.
Really dont know What to answer you since currently there are no discussion group in our community and anything happens.
And it appears that I am the only one trying to move things forward but at same time I am the bad guy in this story.
So... Maybe I am the problem
I was referring to this. If it were to go through, I would want to be part of that group.
Like you said, it doesn't appear as though it will. I wouldn't give up though. I think you can find a compromise. Have you thought about starting a Discord chat with key stakeholders to come up with a proposal that would meet most everyone's needs?
I think all of us have a vested interest and would like to see the SPORTS community be successful.
I think I know of a Discord that we could use that already has a lot of key stakeholders in it....
https://discord.gg/Pr2css7Auu
... best part is you don't even have to use Discord. If you prefer Telegram you can join the same conversation at https://t.me/sportstalksocial or if you prefer to be more decentralized you can join us on a Matrix client through https://matrix.to/#/#generalsportstalk:matrix.org
Our discoord it is almost without activity and no one until today wanted to discuss or talk about the community growing.
I dont know if it is your case or not but I cannot understand how we are delegating 5k HP to Actifity and we dont get nothing back and to delegate it we need an aprove of stake holders here some whales are from actifity community and not from sports talk community
I personally don't like using Discord, Telegram or even Matrix because we have on-chain communication that works even better. I'm still up for making any changes to improve them though. I just haven't heard anything beyond people saying there's no activity which I've tried to address by linking them across multiple centralized networks to make it easier to join.
We get the inclusion of the SPORTS token into an app that is distributing tokens to more users than any other app in our ecosystem. I think that's a pretty spectactular deal for us to be honest.
That being said if Actifit is just leeching from our ecosystem then it wouldn't take long for the market conditions to change that non-Actifit holding stakeholders would be the ones building stake to lead the community away from Actifit. If that partnership isn't also breeding SPORTS stakeholders then proposal conditions would change in time allowing us to remove the delegation.
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And why is there almost no activity on any of our Discord, Telegram, etc or even Twitter?
Maybe because we're not managing to keep people interested in the community and wanting to talk.
Seriously, was it a good deal? I don't see LeoFinance doing that and they are way better than us and with a super active community even when their tokens have devalued.
It seems to me that this was not so beneficial for us since we have the token being distributed in droves out there.
Do you think people will invest I don't know how much money in a token from an "almost" dead community to try to remove a culprit that is clearly not beneficial?
If there are still active users in the community who create good/excellent content about sports, we can thank ODC and some Hive users who have good stakes and will still vote here because if it were for our token, many of these users would be gone although.
Happy to help you with your proposal to handle social media for the tribe.
No but they aren't being given SPORTS stake. If they aren't providing valuable content to stakeholders then their share of the tribe will diminish without anyone having to purchase them out. Unless of course the content creators are just selling off their stake and the Actifit community is the one buying. Wouldn't know anyone that sells off all the stake they earn in the community would you?
I am not a social media manager but thanks.
I don't know if there are people selling all the SPORTS they earn or not, but even if there are, they are within their rights since this is about blockchain and whoever has the private keys decides what to do with their assets.
The fact that, from the beginning, the Actifit community has had access to more SPORTS makes the elements of that community win more SPORTS, so they always end up increasing their stake so that the community can have enough stake to approve something they need to invest a considerable amount.
How? They have a Hive delegation.
And they have also SPORTS staked from contract distribution.
So if they but on Actifity community content that uses sports or sportstalksocial whey will receive more SPORTS ;)
I think you mean the portion that Actifit keeps for the app beneficiary. They receive the same amount if you assume the creators are likely Actifit friendly anyway. Even if you assume the Actifit users would potentially be less Actifit friendly than Actifit themselves well Actifit only has around 5M SPORTS (0.27% of Governance Power) or roughly 64 Hive worth of stake so it's not like they are a huge voting block.
Am really glad there are people who are still very interested in the community. We need more frequent discussions like this if not any other thing. For changes I'll still be seeking opinions of a few respected persons in the community before casting my vote, but I honestly appreciate the concern. This conversation is necessary.
Should the proposal scale through, I'll like to be replaced by @bozz as I barely manage to find time for Hive generally these days due to personal reasons. I'm very open to lending a helping hand in other ways in the future
I don't think you're a problem at all @cryptosimplify. You see an issue and you're trying to provide solutions to get it fixed. I think that's admirable. I just think you are just targetting the wrong problem.
We've tried lots of things in the tribe. As I've tried to point out we've even tried to implement a lot of the ideas you presented in the past because they're good ideas.
I don't think we've had a shortage of ideas in SPORTS. I think we've had a shortage of people that can execute them in development. That's where I think you could take us to a whole different level. You have development skills that most of us don't have. We haven't had a need for a new key holder because I only do what the tribe asks anyways. What I think we need is someone who can build things the tribe needs. I think that's the problem that needs targetting.
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I can understand the lack of development skill but there other ideas that is not necessary be a dev to implement.
But we cannot do it because of DAO since our community it is owner by Actifity users
I don't think there are many things that Actifit users would block to be honest. The only ones I could see are ones that limit them in some way like removing their delegation from @sports-gov and thus ending the partnership. I can't imagine that many of their backers would be excited for that. Otherwise what would we want to do that they wouldn't support if it makes the tribe better?
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It is this a partnership?
Partnership or a partnership is a relationship in which two or more people, organizations, or countries work together as partners.
In this case, I don't see any good thing for our side.
Since @actifit.rewards uses our delegation to vote on Actifit community posts, and we don't receive anything.
How this is good for sports talk social?
I am not able to see how this is benefit for us.
We get the inclusion of the SPORTS token into an app that is distributing tokens to more users than any other app in our ecosystem. Those users then either 1) sell SPORTS making it cheaper for non-Actifit users to acquire SPORTS 2) hold/stake SPORTS thus keeping more tokens off the market and supporting content they appreciate.
If it's option 1 then we'll see enough stake ready to move away from that deal with time. If it's option 2 then not only are they distributing out to a large group they're also creating token holders it would seem.
I think this image show more than words that we need a lot of changes
That has nothing to do with Actifit?
I know that but my post it is not only about Actifit it is about sports talk community and this is related with the community